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Veeam researching support for VMware alternative Proxmox as backup buyers fret about Broadcom

  • 23 January 2024
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dloseke
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"We're researching and doing some prototyping around Proxmox to see what's possible there as far as backup goes," Anton Gostev, Veeam's senior veep for product management posted on January 11.

Another Veeam product manager, Fabian Kessler, last week confirmed that effort, writing "Proxmox is something we are doing some early research on."

 

As found on Reddit/The Register.  Of course, it all ties back to the R&D Forums, so I guess I should keep a better eye there since I hadn’t seen anything posted on the Community Hub yet.  Glad to hear something is being researched.  Wondering what other products are being researched.  I haven’t looked at it yet, but XCP-NG seems to be another open source project gaining traction.

 

Obviously many folks are very invested in the VMware ecostructure, but I’m curious of anyone here, especially service providers has begun looking into alternatives?  Mostly backups have held me off from really setting up any lab environments for testing, but if Veeam is looking at adding more hypervisor support to the mix, that would certainly make alternatives like Proxmox another viable solution.

Derek M. Loseke, Senior Systems Engineer | Veeam Legend 2022-2023 | VMSP/VMTSP | VCP6-DCV | VSP/VTSP | CCNA | https://technotesanddadjokes.com | @dloseke

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Chris.Childerhose
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It will be interesting to see what they do with Proxmox as that is one, I keep hearing about.  We are good here with VMware but for the many struggling on next steps due to the Broadcom acquisition.

Chris Childerhose - VMCA2022 | VMCE2023 | Veeam Vanguard 7* | Veeam Legend 3* | vExpert 5* | VCAP-DCV/VCP-DCV | Object First Ace | Cisco Champion | Twitter: @cchilderhose | Blog Site – https://just-virtualization.tech
dloseke
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It will be interesting to see what they do with Proxmox as that is one, I keep hearing about.  We are good here with VMware but for the many struggling on next steps due to the Broadcom acquisition.

 

I’m trying to determine what makes the most sense.  Larger enterprises are very invested in VMware and won’t transition quickly, if at all.  Medium-sized businesses - I’m not sure.  Pricing gets more expensive, but seems to be doable, at least early on for the next year or two.  Small businesses….the VMware tax is kinda high with the Essentials kit’s being retired, but Standard isn’t SUPER expensive.  But having to pay that subscription year over year over year is expensive.  For my clients on Essentials kits, I think we’re talking around $800 initially and then around $100 for a 1-year renewal.  That’s feasible to cover 3 hosts.  But make that $1000 or more every year?  That’s costly for some…..and would certainly make alternatives like Proxmox (or Hyper-V) a much more appealing alternative assuming that all other features are equal, or at least something that can be lived with (or without).

I need to rebuild my lab environment, and I’m really considering setting up some hosts with ProxMox or XCP-NG or both, but I did recently get the idea to see if I can nest those environments inside of ESXI instead because ESXI isn’t going away, at least not quickly (but probably not at all).

Derek M. Loseke, Senior Systems Engineer | Veeam Legend 2022-2023 | VMSP/VMTSP | VCP6-DCV | VSP/VTSP | CCNA | https://technotesanddadjokes.com | @dloseke
coolsport00
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I'm going to begin playing around with XCP for starters. Proxmox having VM corruption issues, it appears, not sure it's a viable near-term solution. 

Shane Williford - Veeam VMCA/VMCE | Veeam Legend | VUG Leader | VCP-DCV | Twitter: @coolsport00
TylerJurgens
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XCP-NG started as a XenServer fork, but looks pretty for sure.

Proxmox looks to be KVM based (as is Nutanix AHV, Redhat Virtualization, Oracle KVM), etc.

I hope that means an easier time for Veeam to support Proxmox as they already built that kind of integration with AHV and Redhat. That said, I’m not a Veeam dev, so I can’t speak to the difficulty of integration. Also, if you are looking at Proxmox seriously, you should definitely take it for a test drive, especially around backups.

As for XCP-NG - that’s probably more difficult as I don’t think XenServer and KVM share much - but I could be wrong of course.

VMware has been so dominant for so long because its a great product. Unfortunately that hasn’t left much room for any other vendor to gain market share (VMware has 84% with the next closest competitor - HyperV having only 4%). That’s essentially stifled the competition, and it shows. 

Really depends on what you’re trying to achieve with your deployments and ultimately what deals you can get to lower the sticker price that Broadcom quotes. I can’t see vSphere going away anytime soon, but the sticker shock may be enough to drive a few organizations away.

Tyler Jurgens | Cloud Infrastructure Engineer | Veeam Legend x2 | vExpert ** | VMSP/VMTSP | VCP-2020 | VSP/VTSP | Tanzu Vanguard | VMUG Calgary Leader | VUG Canada Leader | https://explosive.cloud | @Tyler_Jurgens | BlueSky: @tylerjurgens.bsky.social
Scott
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It’ll be a long time before any of these other products are tested and trusted for production in enterprise solution. Unfortunately VMware have such a grip, there is not a lot of options, not would I want to switch overnight. Especially for someone like us using SRM and other VMware products.

 

This may be the push to go full Veeam replication at our site though :) 

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We’re currently moving from Hyper-V & Veeam to Proxmox.

A Proxmox-Veeam solution would be great for us.

As we’ll use Proxmox in a testing environment for the next 6 months, we could beta-test Proxmox & Veeam.

Chris.Childerhose
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We’re currently moving from Hyper-V & Veeam to Proxmox.

A Proxmox-Veeam solution would be great for us.

As we’ll use Proxmox in a testing environment for the next 6 months, we could beta-test Proxmox & Veeam.

I know Veeam is investigating Proxmox and if you get to test things eventually hopefully it works out.  Looking forward to seeing this move forward with Veeam.

Chris Childerhose - VMCA2022 | VMCE2023 | Veeam Vanguard 7* | Veeam Legend 3* | vExpert 5* | VCAP-DCV/VCP-DCV | Object First Ace | Cisco Champion | Twitter: @cchilderhose | Blog Site – https://just-virtualization.tech
coolsport00
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We’re currently moving from Hyper-V & Veeam to Proxmox.

A Proxmox-Veeam solution would be great for us.

As we’ll use Proxmox in a testing environment for the next 6 months, we could beta-test Proxmox & Veeam.

Hi @foolonthehill - there is a post on the Forum I recommend following along to keep on eye on Proxmox support. Any feedback you can provide the PMs would be beneficial as well.

https://forums.veeam.com/ovirt-kvm-f62/feature-request-proxmox-t71691-150.html#p516187

Shane Williford - Veeam VMCA/VMCE | Veeam Legend | VUG Leader | VCP-DCV | Twitter: @coolsport00

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