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Hi. Since it’s a multi-site Veeam architecture (all components at V11a latest build) already running in prod i.e. Ent Mgr, Veeam One, ten+ VBR (no VCSP or backups to cloud yet in any form) all at v11a. We want to upgrade the entire  environ to v12 and also move to Postgres for each component. We are looking at best strategy over a 2 week project hopefully. Question is: Can Ent Mgr at v12 (postgres) & veeam one at v12 (postgres) coexist (aka sit) with mixed VBRs (some VBRs still at 11a (sql) ready to be upgraded to v12 (postgres), and some VBRs already upgraded to v12 (upgraded to postgres also). All pointers welcome. Thx

VEM and VBR can run on Postgres but VONE does not support it yet.  Just FYI.

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Thanks Fabian; spot on. And for Veeam One what should i do today. As step 1a), can i upgrade him to v12 and leave it at SQL, and will he able to communicate with EM v12 (postgresql) i.e. after step 4, and also can he maintain the historical data of VBR servers at v11 SQL prior to the upgrades? Thx to let me know

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Thanks for posting this...ended up watching the Weekly Recap, pointed me here, and roughly around when I was trying to upgrade from 1402 to 1420 and realizing that I need the Day 0 patch.

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Thanks a LOT Fabian :)

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Minor question on above upgrade path topic: The interm period between steps 4 & 5 bcz of the qty of VBR servers (10+) which will span over 2 days say, should be ok you think bcz some VBRs will be at sql and some will be already upgraded to postgress but EM is still at sql which is only until in step5 getting migrated to postgres. Thx again

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V12: RTM to GA Patch is out:

https://www.veeam.com/kb4415

Woot woot!! 😎

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This is really great @Rick Vanover !!! It should be a separate topic on the helpcenter!

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Frankly, I have not understood the new “file to tape” license but have not researched extensively.

 

Right now I use the Community Edition and the 10 free instances are used up for Hyper-V and agent backups.

I have about 6 TB of data, VMs and agent backups which I store to tape using different jobs.

As a home user (aka hobbyist) I wonder which license I would have to acquire and how much this would cost me.

 

Thank you very much for any links.

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It‘s 75 € per workload.

6TB nas data requires 12 workloads. And then you also need to count your VMs and Agents.

We have special TB packages if you buy an essential license for vms/agents. Should be cheaper than a workload per 500GB. 


Best,

Fabian

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TB packages?

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NAS Capacity Pack
 

This are optional addon licenses when you already have a VUL essentials license.

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I have read about NAS to tape and disk but

  • Nowhere on all the “New Feature” pages is it listed that there’s a limitiation which has not been there since version 5 (I’m using the Community Edition for my home lab since 2011).
  • The per-workload-limitation is not communicated clearly, I found out in the prerequisites
  • even after asking here, the TB license add-on is only mentioned later and I have not been able to find it on the website of the larger resellers in Germany.
  • It seems that I can only buy a “Backup Essentials” License (which probably is still for V11) for about 400 Euros/year which is too expensive for a SOHO and the cause why I have used the community edition for so long.

So obviously the whole “workload license thing” is a lot more complicated than before.

I like to keep the systems separated from the data and do so in my backup strategy, also.

It seems that I can get around some limitations if I backup one of the VMs together with its data partition which makes a larger part of my backups but I will only find out AFTER having upgraded.

 

There should be a calculator of some kind:import configuration backup and the workloads show up at the end to make it easier before upgrading to calculate how many workloads you need.

Right now it seems that I have reached the end of my journey with Veem B&R.

 

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Fun fact:
I have asked for a quote using the contact function and nobody bothered to answer.

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Fun fact:
I have asked for a quote using the contact function and nobody bothered to answer.

That’s not so fun - would you like me to find the right contact for you? If so - message me a DM or to rick.vanover@veeam.com.

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Also, once the upgrade to Veeam V12 has been completed, don’t forget to update any storage integration plug-ins :) 

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Also, once the upgrade to Veeam V12 has been completed, don’t forget to update any storage integration plug-ins :) 

Otherwise, you will be prompted constantly about them.  😂

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Can you add a note to this page and/or the upgrade guide regarding custom region.xml files please. I’ve just spend quite a bit of time trying to work out why SOBR’s to S3 don’t work post v12 only to find that our VPC customisations have been overwritten.

Thanks, Rob.

I would suggest that you post this over on the forum site to get better visibility - https://forums.veeam.com 

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I would suggest that you post this over on the forum site to get better visibility - https://forums.veeam.com 

If the feedback is about the upgrade checklist in the user guide, then the feedback button at the bottom in the user guide should be used. That will send the request to the right team.
Upgrade Checklist - User Guide for VMware vSphere (veeam.com)


But I assume, @ratkinsonuk would like to see a note in Ricks upgrade blog post here. 


Best,

Fabian

Thanks for clarifying that, Fabian.  I forgot about the feedback option in the guides.

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steps written above

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To get to target picture (there are 14+ VBRs), here is my high-level plan. Pls let me know your thoughts. Thank you

 

High-level Steps

 

  1. Stand up the new VM 2022 for EM (same hostname, with different or same IP as source EM) but not on network yet. (Do NOT install EM yet)
  2. Stand up the new VM 2022 for Veeam One (same hostname, with different or same IP as source VeeamOne) but not on network yet. (Do NOT install Veeam One yet)
  3. Take source EM v11 DB backup and shutdown services on source EM and disconnect from network
  4. Take source VeeamOne v11 DB backup and shutdown services on source VeeamOne & disconnect from network
  5. Update DNS accordingly per steps 1 & 2
  6. Install same v11 build for EM on new EM VM and import sql express DB
  7. Install same v11 build for VeeamOne on new VeamOne VM and import sql express DB
  8. Validate new EM & VeeamOne, working as normal with existing VBRs (all v11 & sql express)
  9. Upgrade veeamOne to v12
  10. Upgrade EM to v12
  11. Upgrade VBRs to v12
  12. Validate EM & VeeamOne, working as normal with existing VBRs (all v12 & sql express)
  13. Take VeeamOne v12 sql express DB backup (either thru SSMS and/or dbconfig tool) & migrate its DB to SQL Standard (DB on remote machine)
  14. Take EM v12 sql express DB backup (either thru SSMS and/or dbconfig tool) & migrate its DB to SQL Standard (DB on remote machine)
  15. Validate EM & VeeamOne, working as normal with existing VBRs (all v12, SQL std for EM/VeeamOne & sql express for VBRs)

These steps look good but if the SQL Standard exists once you take backups why not restore to there to avoid steps 13/14?  Just a thought as you can direct both EM/VONE to the SQL Std box on the new Win2022 servers when ready.

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I have done EM first then VBR but have had to remove VBR from VEM and readd it again after the migration since the current server in VEM is based on SQL.  Never tried the reverse way but would think it will work regardless.  You still need to delete/add the VBR server to VEM in the end.

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Do you recall, when you did EM first and did the first step of generating the emco file, did it tell you ‘do VBR migration to postgress prior to this EM’? I am wondering since i did not deleted VBR from EM prior to taking EM’s backup to emco file, it gave me that message bcz he knows there is VBR on sql still. Anyways, i will give it a shot again.

 

Side note: Since i went ahead and tried VBR first owing to the point 1 message above, it failed also in the target DB selection when i selected postgresql with below message.

I think that is why it gives you the message cause the VBR is still connected to it.  Regardless you need to delete and add VBR to VEM anyway at the end.

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This is a permissions issue with the account you are logged in as.  You may need to edit one of the config files for Postgres.  Follow this KB - KB4542: "SSPI authentication failed for user" (veeam.com)

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Thx Chris; i think that’s what it is. Side question: Do any postgresql components gets installed on the VBR when i upgraded him from v12 to v12.1? Or perhaps it’s better to ask when it was upgraded to v12 in past bz postgressql comes baked in with v12 onwards. Since it’s sql express currently at v12.1 for this customer, the postgresql does not need to be installed as such on this VM bcz that DB should be there even though it’s not used by VBR or VEM at the moment for this customer, right? I will try above steps in my next meeting with customer. Thx

Postgres is there in v12.0 onwards but you need to specify to install it otherwise if you use SQL Express that is all that is there.   You may need to install Postgres on the server to migrate beforehand.

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ah,  my bad. I did not installed it. Wish it was mentioned in the guide to install postgress binary before migrating sql Exp to postgres. I noticed it’s in the VBR iso v12.1 binary per support personnel ‘https://www.veeam.com/blog/switch-sql-server-postgresql-veeam.html

 

 

Yeah would be nice to have it check if installed and then prompt you, but that will take care of it.

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