Do you use the VEEAM RMAN Pluin in your environments?
What are your experiences with it?
Do you have one or more than one Oracle database instances on a system?
Noone is using the plugins for Oracle RMAN or SAP HANA and has experience with them?
in current deployment for us for Oracle and Sap, we did some tests before. We don’t have enough experiences to provide some review at the moment
Our database administrators don’t believe in Veeam BR but we need to this experience for our LTR project. Our customer needs keep backups for one year and restore it for checking financial records. I guess that RMAN plugin and native tape support will good choice for us.
Hi Davoud,as far as I have seen you cannot select a tape reprository as a target for RMAN backups. You have to use a disk repository and copy the backup files to tape afterwards.
This would be a nice feature to get direct tape suport with the plugin jobs...
We actively use the RMAN Plug-in. On the SAP side, we have integrated veeam directly with SAP HANA hardware. Performance and backup tasks are all successfully.Is there anything you are particularly curious about?
Hello @bynalbant ,have you used one of the plugins with classic SAP?
Yes, we used Oracle RAC and ASM disks on a physical server.We are working smoothly.
Hello @bynalbant ,are you using the brtools for backup of the SAP database? Or are you doing a “pure” RMAN backup?
@JMeixner We do not use brtools. rman plugin is successful enough, we don't need an extra copy.
Hello @bynalbant , are you using the brtools for backup of the SAP database? Or are you doing a “pure” RMAN backup?
we use brtools with Oracle RMAN Plugins cause we used Tivoli Storage Manager before and all backup and SAP guys are used to it. Works fine.Any specific question here?We also use SAP Hana Plugin without greater issues.
Only thing is: B&R Server needs a lot of CPU cores to handle normal VM backups and all our SAP Hana (~25) and Oracle RMan (~10) backups. And we got to a point where backups could not be handled and ran into a timeout.
Used couple of times with SAP HANA… not difficult to install but the biggest challenge was to convince SAP admins to install the plugin in their “toy”…
Now SAP recommend veeam for backuping Hana, things changes hehe. Can’t wait to play with hana, it will at the beginning of 2021 for us.
Like we’r talking Oracle things, we are impatient to try instant recovery oracle on production. Little bit affraid by how our backup repo will support the load during the total recovery.
Just found this thread now. We had to leverage this with a customer. I like the fact that scheduling and job control is in the hands of the Oracle DBA. I was disappointed to see that backup copy jobs to cloud connect are not supported.
Yes, copy jobs are a problem in general. The plugin jobs are not recognized by any copy job. I don't know if this was changed in V11, this special client is not on V11 up to now. I will have to try in May, as the upgrade is planned for end of April...
The only possible way to copy the plugin data I found was to create a file copy job which copies the repository directory...
I could be mistaken but I think you can put them in normal backup copy jobs not just to cloud connect.
Quick check of V11 docs and it looks to be there for sure now. Again I think we did see that before but.. being a cloud connect provider did not help much. It would be interesting to find out they have not done that yet.
😁 I will try in some weeks…
I was asking this same question recently and did not get any “real-world” responses. I have a customer that is deploying this at scale and I’ve been assembling some best practices. The biggest issues were resolved with v11, and the metadata improvements. One task = 5 channels, so plan repository resources accordingly. If doing a backup copy job, make sure you keep that in mind as well - limit the tasks on the target repo so it doesn’t suck up all the task slots on the source and hang up the RMAN jobs (especially the archived redo log jobs). I recommend increasing the registry settings for max user ports to 64K and shortening the TCP timed wait delay to 30 seconds. Summary of the big points.:
Recommendations for infrastructure optimization:
Thank you @randyweis for your detailed response. I am anxious to try this with V11. 😎
You’re welcome. I should have edited item 2, since those numbers related to a ratio of cores on a physical server. It would be better put as “Reduce tasks on the BCJ target repo servers to 10-20% of the tasks allocated to the RMAN plugin tasks.”
Hope that helps.
Two more points (this might go on all day...)
Yup, two more points (this is helping me put my list together...):
Yes, an separate repository is very useful ans makes absolute sense for the RMAN backups.
All backups are single backups an no chains with synthetic fulls, so the block cloning has no effect.
What I have seen is that the deletion of outdated backups is not done by RMAN in all cases. Therefore it is very useful to set the force deletion option for the plugin and set it to some more days as your retention period.See more information about this option here:https://helpcenter.veeam.com/docs/backup/plugins/force_delete_rman.html?ver=110
A few more points:
Huge amount of awesome informations for Oracle @randyweis , thank you very much from me and my dba
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